SPEAKERS

Greg McKeown, Sheri Salata


Greg McKeown 

Sheri, how are you?

Sheri Salata     

Oh, I am so good. Greg, I’m excited to be here speaking with you,

Greg McKeown     

Do you feel so good that that’s delightful to hear that?

Sheri Salata     

Well, listen, I wake up in the morning and decide that I have a choice. And my day generally goes better. When I consciously say, it’s a good day, and I felt good.

Greg McKeown     

Did you do that this morning? Or did you do just as I literally asked the question,

Sheri Salata     

you know, I do my big appreciation. Like, oh I’m still here, yay. When my eyes open? Do you?

Greg McKeown     

Do you do it out loud?

Sheri Salata   

I do it out loud.

Greg McKeown     

I do it out loud, just like you just did it just like just

Sheri Salata     

Yay, I’m still here. You know, I continue to find that my tone, and my vocabulary literally shaped my life. So and I can do quite the opposite Luke here. You know, so I try to be conscious of how I am shaping it not perfectly. But I just I try to remember that

Greg McKeown     

That was one of the biggest breakthroughs of my whole life when I was young, I remember quite distinctly, maybe as a young teenager a slightly before, understanding that my words did not just describe reality, but created it. Yes, that’s what you’re talking about.

Sheri Salata     

That’s what I’m talking about. And I would say, I wasn’t super young. But for me, that was probably maybe 16 years ago, when I kind of leveled up my spiritual understanding, and started to think more in quantum terms about energy, and how powerful our thoughts and how we’re literally speaking our life into being. And what I did is I just kept showing myself, I kept showing myself that I was casting my fate. And in either way, you know, I could make things really bad, I could make things really good. And again, that the human part of me, has to be reminded, even though I know it,

Greg McKeown   

I love that phrase casting your fate. And I want to hear more about the story as well behind this, but let’s do the official part. Sheri Salata who has written The Beautiful No, and other tales of trial transcendence and transformation, but just that title. As soon as I saw that, I thought well, that the match between that and the centralism. And this audience is so good. You know, I  just, I don’t know, I cost that into the into the future. I knew that you and I would end up talking one day about what you’ve written. And the story behind it. Welcome to the What’s Essential podcast.

Sheri Salata   

Thank you so much, Greg, I’m so happy. First of all, I’m honored to be in your company. I consider you one of the great teachers of our time. And I’ve known a teacher too. And I’m just so glad that you energetically understood the power of what I mean by the beautiful now. Hmm.

Greg McKeown     

I hate to do this, because it’s so like self-oriented. But like, do you feel really what you just said that? You’re saying? Yes, I think you’re a good teacher, you’re, you feel what you’re saying there? Was that just sort of politeness? Because what else would you say?

Sheri Salata     

I’m will tell you that I am very polite. I am very, very polite. But I would not say that unless I meant it.

Greg McKeown   

I just don’t even know coming into this conversation or until you say that, that you’re familiar with essentialism at all. But when I saw the beautiful, no, I thought, well, whatever the whether there’s even a connection, you know, in some formal way, there’s definitely an alignment of understanding. Yes. Tell me. I mean, you have such a story behind the beautiful. No, we’ve got to start there. I’m sure you’ve shared that lots of times, but that we’ve got to frame it there. Can you tell? Tell us all the story?  

Sheri Salata     

Oh I’d love to. I’d love to and I’m going to start with this deep tease. It has become one of the most profound spiritual principles of my life. It did not start out that way. But it has become that I had a very very twisty turny road on my way to what turned out to be the career of my dreams. And I had a lot of jobs that weren’t so dreamy. Lots and lots and lots and at one point of fate You know, I started to get on I was closer to the track. It’s like warmer, warmer, warmer, you’re warmer. And I was an I had become an agency producer of television commercials and living in Chicago. And but there was a little show across the river, called The Oprah Winfrey Show that was making, making big headlines making national news. And on on a lark, I applied there because I thought, Gosh, I think that would be really cool. And, of course, I got an instant voicemail. It was nice of the woman to leave a message Actually, she said, I’m sorry, you’re not what we’re looking for. And I was like, Yeah, I get it. I’m in advertising. That’s television. It’s not the same industry. Okay. And I just, you know, tried it on down the lane, and my soul. After maybe six years in advertising. I was I was I felt incomplete. Like I’m warmer, but I’m not hot. This, isn’t it?

Greg McKeown     

You were on a parallel path.

Sheri Salata     

Yeah. And I’m like, Yeah, I like producing. It’s creative. It takes full advantage of my organizing, bossy personality. And, and, you know, put it keeping all the balls up in the air. And it’s also creative and fulfilling, but I don’t really care about shampoo. And I can’t make myself care about it, to put this level of heart and soul into it. So I went to freelance, thinking that maybe a better agency and better clients was the answer. And I quickly, I mean, I quickly hit bottom in because it turns out selling myself for money is not a big talent of mine. That going out and being the you when you give me a job. as a freelancer, I was terrible at it. I didn’t like to pester people, I didn’t like to keep calling people. So in short order, I was out of money, I could barely pay my rent. And, and in such desperate straits that friends were bringing casseroles. Why? Because they were they knew I didn’t have any money. And by the way, I’m around 34 years old. Mm hmm. So if, you know, feeling like a failure, you know, out of money. I haven’t really, you know, hit paydirt on this job thing. I had been kind of touted as somebody of promise in my earlier days. And now I’m, I’m like 1314 years out of college, and I have not made it.

Greg McKeown     

Let’s just pause for a second. I mean, that is genuinely rough moment. Right? Like, that’s awesome. Because you’re about to tell, you know, next parts of the story, but at that moment, there is not another chapter.

Sheri Salata   

A chapter and it’s about to get worse. And it’s about to get worse. A friend arranges an interview at one of the top agencies in Chicago, with the top guy, the top executive producer, and I go into that interview ready to dazzle. And I do, and he all but hires me in the room. He’s like, I’m gonna pay you a ton of money. I’m gonna put you on our best accounts. You’re exactly what I need. So I leave that interview. Tasting, you know, imagining the champagne on my lips in two hours. And I gather, you know, my circle, and we’re celebrating because, you know, when you love people, you’re worried when they’re when they’re when they’re sinking. When they’re failing so badly. We’re cheering, we’re cheering, we’re set. We’re so happy. And of course, the phone call when do I start never comes. And one week later, the form letter from the HR department. Sorry, we’re not hiring at this time comes. And I’m about as low as I’ve ever been. I am so out of guess, emotionally, spiritually, financially, that I’m now you know, hair on the top of my head, big ponytail, pajamas, eating chips, watching soap operas. And really thinking like, well, this, you know, I’m a failure. I’m officially a failure. And I could feel myself though, Greg, you know, I look back. I’m like, but you did something different. It was almost like, I took my hands off the wheel and said, Well, I don’t know what to do now. I’ve done all the doing. I don’t know what to do now. A short time thereafter. In the midst of my depression and sadness and failure, I get another message on my answering machine. That is, this is so and so from The Oprah Winfrey Show. We were cleaning out a closet And found your VHS tape of commercials and your resume? Will you come in and freelance in our promotions department? And that’s the department that does the little daily spots for the show. And of course, you know, I say yes, because it was like a lottery win. And I go in, and they ultimately hire me. And it was a new person in the position who was looking for somebody with agency experience, and everything lined up. And that was the beginning of my 20-year career with Oprah. And I’d like to tell you, I was smart enough to figure it out at the moment, but I didn’t have my spiritual chops down. It was it was several years later when it hit me. Like, like an epiphany, that shook me to my core. And that was, if I had gotten that job at the big agency. No way, would, I have had the courage to leave that for a tryout at the Oprah show. To leave the security I thought I so desperately needed, I would have let that Oprah show dream sail right on by. And that’s when I realized that is the most beautiful now I’ve ever gotten, like they all are.

Greg McKeown   

It just reminds me of the old Cortez idea of burning the ships. And the way that story goes is that I don’t even know if it’s really true, but that he burns the ship, so they can’t go back to the old world. They have to make the New World work. But you’re saying it is a cosmic sense that the universe sometimes burns the ships for you. So that you can so that you, you’re unencumbered and can therefore absorb adopt, say yes to the thing that’s coming around the corner that you can’t see yet.

Sheri Salata     

Well, and yes, and because then I was like, once I figured that out, I was like, okay, does it work in every situation, you know, and you go back and you see the romances that failed those beautiful nose, and the other disappointments that came up. And you start to look at that mystical pattern of the whole, though, everything that happened because of that no, and what it brought you what the gifts that brought, the people brought the experiences it brought. And it’s almost like this this thing. I was raised Catholic, a lot of talk of faith, but I don’t think I totally understood the, the energetic piece of that. Which is it’s a living breathing thing, that faith thing.

Greg McKeown  

Catalytic

Sheri Salata   

Yes and it’s really understanding that if you say you have faith, and if you if you can latch on to the belief that there is this quantum field, this mystical, you know, amazing, the force, whatever name you choose to give that that divinity, then maybe we can start to collapse time. So when we are disappointed or rejected or heartbroken, we can have our human moment over it. And get right back into curious Oh, I can’t wait to see how this story turns out. Because we know it’s going to be good.

Greg McKeown   

Tell me this. You’ve had an ongoing evolution since that moment. You know, the No. That’s beautiful. Now you go and start producing, at first, these add segments. But there’s a journey even within that to what you became, within the Oprah show. I mean, that Oprah journey that Oprah show journey is is one that you were part of, you know, front and center. Tell me about that journey from the moment you actually get that call, and how it evolved?  

Sheri Salata     

Well, I will say one thing, you know, there are a lot of things that make sense to me now that I get the call for a fairly entry level opportunity in their promo department. And I’m 35 years old, and the 35 it’s kind of outlandish, you know, most of the show producers were young way younger than me. But I had been around the world a bit. I had been a 711-store manager. I had been a toy store Manager, I had been a typist in a typing pool. I knew a thing or two. So when I walked into that rarefied air, I knew it was a once in a lifetime will nothing will ever be like this scenario. And that’s not to say that there weren’t pressures and there weren’t days of, of like go Brother, you know, this person so difficult or this is so hard or how are we going to get all this done, because it’s a human experience. But on almost every other level, most of the time, I could feel that my purpose was in alignment with what was going on, that it was going to be a ride like no other. And I’d gotten some really good advice from my former boss, Perry, who had said to me, because he imagined that there was a lot of competition, a lot of pressure, a lot of a lot of things that happen very often, in something that receives international attention has celebrity around it. And he told me, just do the job in front of you. And I believe Oprah will pluck you out his exact words to me. And I was like, really, I mean, there’s a lot of people here. And it just was true. Like, over time, I think, my 10th year as an you know, as an employee, she made me executive producer of the show, which was, I mean, that’s huge. That journey alone is impossible. Impossible, you don’t go from this support staff to the show staff. So it was impossible, and yet it did happen.

Greg McKeown     

And now your executive producer, have effectively the biggest show in television. And, and just a few years before, yeah, completely different path.

Sheri Salata    

Yeah.

Greg McKeown   

What would moments, you know, when you just look at the time as executive producer, what were moments you personally were involved in, that you just go, Oh, that was magic.

Sheri Salata   

Um, a lot of it is like a streak across the sky, it was all coming so fast and furious, it was like being handed a manual, to this is how you fly a jumbo jet and then being seated with the controls. It was really, really a stretch. It felt like brain surgery, you know, that that remark is made, you know, like it’s brain surgery, this felt like it when we had millions of people around the world, you know, waiting. And you had this once in a century kind of talent, that your responsibility is to help the team shape the setting that that this talent can do, this person can do what she’s meant to do. Listen, the biggest company benefit for me was I got paid to build a spiritual life. So the more I understood spiritually, the more exposure I had to thought leaders and teachers and a new kind of language around spirituality. The more I knew how important it was, I was like, Whoa, how does this happen? That this unloved child from Mississippi, I mean, ends up in this this situation, this is this is about something so much bigger than I have the capacity to imagine. So that’s to say, That’s how seriously I took that responsibility. My most joyous memory probably is that last season, the finale season, because it was everything was in flow and filled with ease that we did things we had never done before. And yet it all seemed to come together, you know, with in an effortless way, meant to be, you know, if I had one fear it was Will I be able to help and support the team in in landing, this show that this legacy deserves and you know, it was done. It was done, there’s nothing that I would do differently. And I have high standard so I thought it was really the perfect way to wrap.

Greg McKeown   

But that’s such an interesting description that it was ease, it felt it was an effortless quality to it. I mean literally, I literally just finished a book that is that that’s coming out here in a couple of months and the name of it is actually Atlas. I just thought that was such an interesting description. And I know what you mean, because of that season. Did I think feel different? And I suppose, because I’m just guessing, but that you all involved knew this is? Yeah, I don’t know, this is the crown. Okay, this is the Yeah, it’s got to feel graceful now. But it wasn’t so much about you trying to make it feel graceful it was that the act itself was graceful. It’s like, Look, we could carry on, we could carry, we could do another season, another 10 seasons, which could go on and on. But it feels right now. So it was imbued with that feeling.

Sheri Salata     

I absolutely thought that you are spot on, I absolutely felt that that the timing was perfect. And we were in flow. And all the cooperative components arrived to help sort things out and make things you know that that sense of alignment was really there. You know, our last couple shows we did at the United Center, to an audience of, Oh, 16,000 plus. And obviously, that is not what we did every day, we were not specialists. In a grand event like that. That kind of producing is its own specialty. But off we go, we’re gonna do it. We have you know, every star in Hollywood is gonna fly in it’s, what we’re doing is a surprise to Oprah. She doesn’t know who’s coming. She didn’t even know where it was going to be. And of course, in Chicago, United Center home of Michael Jordan is the only place that could be. And there was hockey and basketball playoffs. So literally, we’re still producing other shows that last month, why we’re preparing this extravaganza that we have no experience doing, but we’re going for it. And up until like two days before we don’t even know if we have the arena. I mean, that’s how crazy and and yet, and yet, I like in another life set, you know, years before that, I would have, you know, I would have popped an ulcer over that. This time, though. It was like I had some anxiety, but I was like, it’s not entirely in our hands. There are other forces at work here. And  so, of course, everything worked out perfectly. Never before in a live show. Had we ever had a perfect where we didn’t miss a Music cue or little, because that’s how production is recorded this gigantic thing. Nothing, not nothing, nothing missed. Nothing dropped. Nothing gone wrong. And I felt like I was just there to witness the universe really capping off what had been a 25 year offering to the world. That’s what it felt like.

Greg McKeown     

Yes, there’s something in that description of that final year. of a gift. Yeah, not just a gift to the world. Hey, here’s the show. And this has done this good thing there is that element of a gift, but also just the acknowledgement of this has been a gift to us, too. Yeah. That this this whole thing has been a blessing. So it seemed to be imbued more with that feeling.

Sheri Salata     

Well, it is true. Well, let’s circle around that effortless quality. Because there were times when it wasn’t, you know, there’s times when you don’t even right now, when I’m checking in on myself, and something feels like those neural pathways of doing and moving boulders uphill, are those grooves are deep in me. And I’ve made a conscious decision. I don’t want to live like that anymore. Where I’m just, you know, slogging and pushing and making things happen even when the timing isn’t right. And efforting efforting everything that I really have to I have to watch myself. I have to watch myself great. I have to tell you, you know, this the 2020 the year that never was the gift that dropped in my lap was you know, the whole world had to shut down for me to see that I hadn’t completely healed that part of me that I still would show up for duty at my kitchen table even though I work for myself clickety clack and the keys from from from you know, nine to six, like unwilling to take a walk in the garden because it’s work time. That I still had some unraveling to do about understanding, understanding the spiritual power of effortlessness. Like what that really means.

Greg McKeown     

Yes, you’re describing. I mean, I love the word efforting. And but but really this forcing way of living? Yeah, that we think we need to force, results, force goals to happen force people to do the things that we want them to do. It’s not a small change in experience, to move into a world of like, No, I’m not gonna force anything.

Sheri Salata     

Yeah. Yes, it’s a revolutionary act, isn’t it?

Greg McKeown     

What have you learned about making that shift as you go in and out of that state?

Sheri Salata     

Well, what, you know, and I’m still I’m still circling around that. So I’m still noticing I’m still getting really curious. I do notice the level of I have no artificial anxiety. And and I think, I think what, for me anyway, that I used to mistake that that artificially created level of anxiety for lifeforce, that tension that one creates when one is working out of alignment. I would mistake that for passion, excitement, lifeforce. And what I’m finding is, the more I let go, where I really just don’t take my spiritual practice, and put it in a drawer and pull it out, maybe in morning meditation, and on Sunday, where I’m really, really like, no, this is the way, this is the way you want to do all things. And you’re going to think about, think about how you want something to be, you want to think about what you want to call into your life, you’re going to line up with that, by that mood management that we talked about at the beginning of our conversation, I know that I can control the momentum of the fate I’m casting, by managing my mood. That’s a simple pro tip, to get me into alignment. When I do that, I kind of tell you, Greg, I feel I feel happy. I feel content. I feel appreciative. Like, I just appreciate this moment, right this minute, that we’re chatting about the only conversation I want to have. And I’m looking out at an olive tree out of my window. And I just feel at peace in it ease.

Greg McKeown     

Lots of people, when they hear the idea of letting go, especially if they’re overachievers, if they’re driven, intelligent, successful, they’re worried that in letting go, they’re not just going to let go of the stress and the negativities. And the downside, they’re also going to let go of accomplishment.

Sheri Salata     

Yeah, and you know, and I think that feeling that okay, if I let go, you know, will I not achieve anything? If you know, once you’ve sussed out your real motives on that achievement piece, which I highly recommend. I would describe it this way. Here’s what I found. So this is my highest, experiential knowing about this, that it was always about our choice, the hard road or the easy road, the hard road being do things out of timing, out of alignment, pushing boulders uphill, trying to hold all the balls in the air, whether or not they’re even your balls, you know, so to speak. And then there’s the easy path, which is, you know, it’s living your life from a spiritual foundation and understanding that there is divine timing, and you are being assisted in a million ways you will never know. And really Your job is to stay on track. It’s to dream it up, and watch what happens. It’s to offer your highest vibration and watch what happens.

Greg McKeown     

To me. It’s just crazy to hear you describing those things. I mean, I am literally just been consumed with this language, the hard path, the you know, the easy way, and not the easy way in the sense of, I don’t know, sort of the lazy path or, or somehow self-centered nurse or something. Like Yes, I think there is a kind of Easy culture around that that none of us would aspire to. You know that I’m that’s nothing whatsoever to do with what I’ve been trying to write about now. But I mean, you’re just saying the same thing. And it’s so affirming that there is a spiritual and moral and right and good path that’s easier.

Sheri Salata     

And allowing for the synchronicities. You know, it’s almost like, you know, what I’m playing around with is making sure I’m noticing it, noticing all the ways things show up, the right person shows up, they say something that sparks an idea. Like, I’m starting to ask myself, when I have a new thought, where did that come from? Where did that come from? That’s a really good idea. Where did that come from? Because I just want to turn back a little bit and look at the breadcrumbs that led me to that moment. Because I think that’s a part of what we’re talking about this mystical quantum thing that’s going on that we can tap in with a little focus.

Greg McKeown     

I wasn’t at all in any way intending to talk about effortless today in this conversation or the book, but I just can’t help not doing it because of these points of alignment, that there are three parts to the book. And Part one is effortless state. And it’s the idea that, that you’ve been describing here that if you can get into that state of ease, where you’re not trying to say it has to be how I want it right now, no, you you’re getting out of that and into this state of flow, not just because you’re doing what you love, in that sense of, you know, that idea of flow, there’s nothing wrong with that, but where you’re just not letting go so that you can join a bigger flow, that you can be part of something, it sort of reminds me somehow of Finding Nemo, and there’s that scene where, where they join the turtles who are on the current underneath the ocean, and so that as long as they get into that flow, lots of good things are going to happen, they’re going to come into fruition. And so it’s not the same as just somehow waiting around for someone. Yeah, it’s not that you’re not taking responsibility, you’re taking responsibility, but you’re not making the error of then over exerting and over stressing and exhausting yourself so that you can’t discern anything, you’re being in a place. And, and I’ve heard people describe it as like, you know, so I can be useful use me, I’m here, I’m willing My hearts in the right place. You know, I’m not forcing anything. So now, I can be inspired to know what I should be bringing forth and I can start noticing it when it is and I can start being grateful for all the blessings and an aid I am receiving. It’s a very different way of living and experiencing life. And it produces effortless action and effortless results. This has been my observation, but what you’re saying is, is very confirming today,

Sheri Salata     

I am right there with you. Maybe there’s something in this time, Greg, that, you know, and why we’re having this conversation right at this moment, that we’re all ready to make that quantum leap. I was doing a meditation not too long ago. And this, this hit me when I came out of it. My job’s the what and the why. And I can be excitedly expected to see how the details unfold. And that I think, is kind of an expression of what you’re saying, which is that they’re, you know, being allowed, allowing yourself to plug into the mystery of, of the details of how things come together. And waiting for that moment of inspiration. where, you know, because because listen, I still I’m like, Well, what do I have to do? I have to talk to myself and be like, you know what, you’ll be inspired, you’ll be inspired. And sure enough, if I look back and look at the breadcrumbs, I’m like, Oh, I did that because I had that idea. And then this thought happened. So I that’s where I’m trying to put my focus for myself right now. What’s the what and what’s the Why?

Greg McKeown     

You said two things there that they both resonate with me. The first was maybe we’re all ready, collectively to step into this. And I definitely think that after 2020 which has got to have been for a lot of people about the most efforting year yeah, yet At now there was opportunity for it to be a different kind of year. And I know that many people have stepped into the opportunity of 2020 to be able to reevaluate and shift and pivot and reflect and think. And some of us had to think even if we didn’t want to, it was like we’d been sent into our rooms, you know, you don’t have a think about that. So I think, the lots of opportunity in 2020. But I still think In fact, sometimes when I talk about the new book, I get quite emotional about it. Somebody was just asking a friend of mine, Susan Cain was just asking me, why, why do you get emotional? And some of its to do with the stories that I’m sharing it, but but there’s another part, which is that I just feel like there’s so many people who are suffering and have like pain, because basically, what they did with the new challenges of 2020 is like, well, I’ve just got to work even harder. I mean, they were working hard before they had responsibilities before. But then suddenly, they’re homeschooling their children. They weren’t planning on doing that. Now they maybe they’ve had a disruption with work. Everything, of course, is zoom, eat, sleep, repeat. So there’s that burden. But it’s like that, even in their state of exhaustion. They think the answer now is to work even harder to double down even more on this existing strategy. So this is where the emotion for me comes from with this is is like, man, there is a different way.

Sheri Salata     

Well, what is your book come out?

Greg McKeown     

April 27.

Sheri Salata     

Well, that’s the day we’re ready.

Greg McKeown     

It’s such a beautiful thing to say.

Sheri Salata    

The day the portal opens, my friend.

Sheri Salata   

That’s the day the portal opens? Well, yes, obviously, we’ve summoned this information through you, you know, if we want to be really specific about it, and the portal opens April 27. And everything you said, I have goosebumps because I’m right there with you. For my own self and for, for humanity. I think we are ready for an easier way.

Greg McKeown     

Sheri, I have a question that you’ve just brought to me here. And there may be like no one on the planet who can answer it. And you might not be able to answer it because something’s said went so fast in these years with the Oprah show, but but there’s a story about a mother who was on the show. Who told of her experience with her son, as he’s on his deathbed. You know, the story I know. I and the mother climbs up into the bed. Jenny and Mattie Stefanik Oh, no, my goodness. You know the name. I cannot find the name anywhere.

Sheri Salata     

Madison.

Greg McKeown     

Okay, hold on. I got it. I know that we’re like, live but I still gonna write it down because I will opponent. Say it again. Who is it?

Sheri Salata     

His name was Mattie. M A T T I E Stepanik. Oh, yeah. And his mother’s Jenny.

Greg McKeown     

And mother, Jenny. The you know, I have found that story referenced, but I cannot find the names. And you have just done it. Do you want to just finish the story here? And and that’s that’s the beautiful wrap. What a beautiful conversation.

Sheri Salata     

Yeah. Well, Mattie was introduced to he was on The Oprah Show many times he was one of our all-time favorite guests. He called himself a poet and a peacemaker. His wish was to, to bring love. And he was, I mean, he wasn’t a child of this world. He was afflicted with muscular dystrophy. He had MD so he was in a wheelchair by the time we met him. And he was one of the wisest souls that have ever walked the earth for sure. And when he was dying, his mom Jenny got into bed with him. And one of the things, you know, it was a very similar story to kind of like Steve Jobs, you know, which is this Wow, this Wow. Do you remember specifically what he said that touched you?

Greg McKeown     

What he said at the end was, it’s so simple, mom. It’s all so simple.

Sheri Salata 

And it is.

Greg McKeown    

Sheri, it has been a beautiful conversation. wonderful moment. I feel very uplifted going into the rest of my day into the rest of this journey. And a It’s just been an absolute delight for me. Thank you for, for, you know, for taking this journey that you’re taking now. Of course, the beautiful know the book fantastic people should read it. But that’s obviously only one manifestation of what it is you’re trying to do and what you’re becoming. And I look forward to seeing how the journey continues and I look forward to now our paths being connected in the way that they are. Sheri, it’s been a joy.

Sheri Salata     

Me too Greg, same.


Greg McKeown

Credits:

  • Hosted by Greg McKeown
  • Produced by Greg McKeown Team
  • Executive Produced by Greg McKeown