SPEAKERS

Greg McKeown, Maria Shriver


Maria Shriver

Hi, everybody. I’m so happy that we’re all here together on a Friday. I’m so happy We made it to Friday. I’m looking forward to the weekend. And I’m really glad to be speaking with somebody today that I admire. And somebody today that I hope will help us get through the weekend and through these last couple of weeks of this year, and help us prepare for the new year by talking about what’s really essential in our lives. And that’s why I really wanted to have Greg McKeown join us today, he wrote the best-selling book essentialism, the disciplined pursuit of less the discipline, pursuit of less. And I’ve been a big fan of his, an admirer of his and this conversation, we’re going to put it up in the Sunday paper. Because I think so much of what he says, and you can follow him on Instagram, obviously, you can read his book, he has a podcast. And he talks about the importance of boundaries, about discernment, about asking yourself certain questions that help you decide what actually is essential in your life, what’s keeping you from actually focusing on your priorities. And, you know, maybe there’s many of us who do too many things and don’t actually focus on the one or two things that we should be focusing on. And that actually ends up leaving us feeling depleted, angry at ourselves, or feeling like we’re not really doing anything, and we’re just actually doing too much. So, Debbie says, Hi, I’m so anxious to hear him. We’ll be calm about hearing him sit back. Focus, relax. He These are some questions. And I’m gonna bring him on in a minute. But I liked this. He said, have you ever found yourself stretched too thin? Do you sometimes feel overwhelmed and underutilized? Yep. Do you feel motion sickness instead of momentum? That’s an interesting question. Does your day sometimes get hijacked by someone else’s agenda? Very often for me, have you ever said yes, simply to please and then resented it? Yes, that would be me, too. He and then he says if you answered yes to any of these, the way out is the way of the essential as root, there’s a way out. Today, we’re going to find a way out while we I’m really excited. Let’s see if I can find him. Let’s see. Where is he? There he is. There he is. I’m going to. And then hopefully he’ll be joining us with His wisdom. And all of that. There he is. Hi.

Greg McKeown 

Hey, how are you?

Maria Shriver     

I’m good. How are you?

Greg McKeown   

I’m well, but your intro there was amazing. You just need to keep on going? Because you could I couldn’t do better myself. Marvelous.

Maria Shriver     

I need you to join me and then I’ll wrap you up really well.

Greg McKeown 

Brilliant.

Maria Shriver     

Good. Well, I’m so glad you know, we haven’t really met. But you know that I’m an admirer of yours. And I’ve quoted you and written about some of the things that you’ve written about. But I thought it would be such a great way to kind of end out this year to talk to you because you kind of coined this phrase essentialism. And we’ve heard it used so much this year. terms of who’s essential, who’s not what’s essential, what’s not. How do you think the word has evolved this year into our vernacular?

Greg McKeown 

Well, it’s, um, I mean, everybody when COVID first hit, suddenly had to live as involuntary essentialists. Yeah, it was like it was like we’d all been sent to our room, you know, somebody up there said, Look, you know, you go and you go and sit down, and you have a good Think about it. And you’re come out when you’re ready. And and so that’s the opportunity, the great reset that we we had to be able to really work out of all these things we were doing previously, which ones really mattered to us, which ones do we want to go back to? There’s a yougov poll in the UK that showed that only 9% of people wanted to go back to how things were before. Only 9% only 9%. So So it’s this sense that yes, we don’t want to be living in this as our new normal forever. But that doesn’t mean we want to rush back to how it was before this frenetic, frantic undisciplined pursuit of more ease. So this is a chance, I think, 2020 or pause in a way, amidst all the exhaustion or the uncertainty to wonder what is it we want 2021 to be what are the essentials, we want to design our life around?

Maria Shriver     

You said that COVID made all of us around the world in voluntary essentialist. What is a voluntary essentialist? And for those who have not read your book, or have not listened to your podcast, and I was saying it before you came on, you can listen to your podcast, you can follow you on Instagram where you post really thought provoking questions. But what does it mean to identify as an essentialist?

Greg McKeown 

An essentialist is someone who is really exploring what is essential, eliminating everything that is not essential. And then building a system to make it as easy as possible to do what really matters is those three things explore, eliminate, and execute. That’s what essentialism is and an essentialist is someone who doesn’t just do that once or twice, but really embodies those three things.

Maria Shriver     

Okay, explore, eliminate. Yeah, and it helps someone do that you’ve written about your ability to be discerning, and to have the practice of discernment. And you hear a lot about that in the Catholic faith and definitely having gone to a Jesuit school, but how do you decide what is essential? How, how do you eliminate what isn’t?

Greg McKeown 

Okay, so we could do this in two different ways. I could talk about how you could do it, or you and I could really apply it right now. Which one would you prefer?

Maria Shriver  

Let’s apply it.

Greg McKeown 

Okay. So here’s I’ll ask you a question. Just your first answer the question, what is one thing that’s essential for you right now, highly important, but you’re currently under investing in it? You know, it matters. But really, if you’re honest, you’re not doing as much about it as you wish you were first thought.

Maria Shriver 

I’ve already had it.

Greg McKeown 

You’ve already had the thought I know you already had it. What was it? Your love life? Oh, my goodness. That’s that was not the answer that I was expecting. But it’s but it’s marvelous

Maria Shriver     

work. I work all the time, right? We invest in in my children I’ve tested in my friends and in my work and my purpose and my service, as well. Actually, maybe I’m also not invested in kind of rest or in you know, less. Yes,

Greg McKeown     

yes. But your first answer was awfully good. Yes, if you’d prefer, I will take a different answer. Although, although I feel like it’s easy to look at your life from from a distance, it’s easy to imagine what you just described your existing commitments to family, your existing commitments, noble and good causes, and many of them, you know, all of that. I can see you are highly yourself. So let’s take the let’s take this area about a little more time for yourself, then let’s self

Maria Shriver     

Let’s call it investigating, you know, being my children are grown. A lot of people find themselves Okay, wait a second, my children have grown. Now, what can I do with my life?

Greg McKeown 

Yeah. And so for you personally, do you actually find that you are spending time on that? Is that or are you saying, look, really, there’s so much on my plate? I don’t actually spend much time what journaling, exploring, thinking.

Maria Shriver    

Beginning, I’m beginning to do that I’m beginning I recognize that I’ve, you know, accomplish many of my professional goals. I’ve, you know, I do well with my kids and my family. So I feel like okay, what, what isn’t essential? I’ve been asking myself, and I do ask myself that a lot. I know you talk a lot about boundaries. I did not grow up with boundaries. I think a lot of people didn’t grow up with boundaries. It wasn’t part of our conversation. So I’m learning to impose boundaries.

Greg McKeown 

Mm hmm.

Maria Shriver    

Not easy.

Greg McKeown 

Yeah, it isn’t easy. Let’s just come back to this, this question of what I’ll give you one more shot at the question. Like, what’s something essential that you’re under investing in right now? So I’m sort of steering clear of the answer you first gave,

Maria Shriver    

I guess what makes me happy outside of work?

Greg McKeown 

Okay, good. Let’s go with that. That’s so so. So what why is that important to you? Like you just gave you said it’s essential that matters? Why does it matter?

Maria Shriver    

Well, I think it matters because, you know, I’ve been in jobs as many people have. And I think many people lost their jobs this year. I’ve been in a job that I got fired from, that I’ve lost jobs. So I don’t want to have my only identification be my job. So my job is a big part of my world. And for most people also, it’s a huge part of their income, it’s their survival. But who are we outside of our jobs? I often like to look at that you What

Greg McKeown 

you just said was that was that a job is almost always hugely important to somebody, but you don’t want it to be your identity. Yes, because it can be lost. In fact, it will be lost eventually, one for one reason or another, you will not do the job you are currently doing, you’ll move on to something correct. So So from a sense of identity, and let me ask you this, what would like what would success look like for you in this? If you felt like Yes, I’m now spending enough time exploring? What would bring me joy. Is it more time to talk about that, to think about that? Is it? Is that the adjustment? You’d want to make?

Maria Shriver    

A good question? I’m not sure. Maybe? I don’t know. Actually.

Greg McKeown 

You’re saying therapy? Yeah. That on the podcast, people do say that, even though I’m not really going for that. Exactly. But, but that, but that’s interesting, because what you just told me is that you think it’s really important, it is essential to you. But if if you don’t mind, it sounds like it’s such a new thing to really spend time on that question. You’re not even sure what the process would be. Right? Exactly. Because, because so much of your life has been lived productively in the public square in one way or another.

Maria Shriver    

Yes, real people, I think most people right, are spending their time, you know, in their job. So many women spend their time in service, I think either to their children, maybe to their parents, to schools in service, and voluntourism, that maybe when your parents pass away, or your children get bigger, or your job changes, you’re looking at like, Wait, where am I? Who am I? What is essential to me now, who are the people who take this path forward? How do I want to age forward? What is really I think COVID has taught so many of us that our worlds are small in many ways. And who’s checking in on us who we really need, and what we really need?

Greg McKeown 

Yeah, I really agree with that I once worked with a with a woman whose goal was to become a certain title, you know, position in the organization. And when she didn’t make that position, she just said, Look, read, you don’t understand I am my job. And whether that’s for a professional, prevent a family role can be the same. The Madonna complex where somebody goes, Look, I know how to be a mother of young children. But I don’t know how to be when I don’t have that role. It was so meaningful and so important. So whether it’s a professional job, or even some of the some of the other titles we have in life, it’s to try and create space outside of those. But what’s essential to me, what am I really here to do and not just letting our previous commitments? answer that for us?

Maria Shriver    

There, you’re seeing you’re talking about constantly asking oneself, these kind of deep probing questions, you had something on your Instagram, where you said, What is one thing you can do that will make everything else easier? Or unnecessary? And you said that everybody should be asking that question to themselves in all of these areas of our life in the financial area. The personal the professional, what’s

Greg McKeown 

one thing? Yeah, yeah, I think that’s a powerful question for sure. And, and I still want to just apply it just to you for just a second, which is, you know, what is one thing that really you could do to create to try and create this space to answer this question for you? In fact, I just want to ask it right now. What is something that sparks joy for you outside of family outside of community service? Just something that you personally enjoy doing?

Maria Shriver    

I enjoy meditating. Yeah, I’m walking in nature.

Greg McKeown 

Yeah, something creative something something outside of just mental health. I mean, something it’s for its own sake, I like to I like to do this. It’s not for not for an audience. It’s not first even directly service. What comes to mind for you?

Maria Shriver    

What I like to help people is that that count because I like to be in conversation with people and to help them see what I see in them that they may not see in them. Yeah, I don’t know.

Greg McKeown 

All the all good answers because what they said to say to me is two things. One is that it really says that you are focused on service to others, like I know that already but but that’s where your, your you know, that’s where you are spontaneously going to when I’m asking you these questions on the spot right there. It also reveals a little bit to me again that there’s a space here that could be cultivated that could be powerful for you. Right? The, the, the actual space to explore the what is it for its own sake, not for anybody else. And that that’s not i’m not implying like being selfish. But I am suggesting that, that we need to find things in our lives that spot joy in themselves for us.

Maria Shriver    

Several people here are trying to help me out with you like to bake. That’s true. A couple other people said, well, it’s so sad that you can’t come up with something quicker. To be sad, though, right?

Greg McKeown 

It’s I don’t think it’s sad. Because what I think it says is that you have spent your life that you were you were taught to that’s and it was in the culture of your family. I’m the sort of reading into it and then into your whole life. I’m I am about service. Yeah, this is this is it is not about me. And I think that is powerful. abusable out.

Maria Shriver    

Oh, somebody has reminded me I do I love to write poetry. I write poetry I write Alright, let’s talk about that. So So. Yeah, so I’m hoping that somebody’s poetry.

Greg McKeown 

How would you? Do you wish you were spending more time writing poetry? When you hear that? No,

Maria Shriver    

No, I write a lot of poetry. So I write almost daily. So I do that already? Yeah. Let’s Get off of me.

Greg McKeown 

We’ll do that right now. The idea is simply to look through our lives and to have a small, honest, meeting with ourselves, where we say, look, what really is essential that we’re under investing. And one of the first answers that come to mind and trusting those answers. And then to say the second question, what is non-essential that we’re over investing in? And again, to trust the answers? Because almost everyone I’ve ever worked with, have things that are non-essential for them, that they if that as soon as they hear that question, they go, yeah, I’m spending too much time on social media, I’m spending too much time. You know, binge watching this thing or whatever. I’m spending too much time working at these kinds of meetings, they’re not really productive. There are answers that eat basically already know the answer to but they’re just so busy doing it, that they don’t see clearly. You know, they’re not, they’re not they don’t have the clarity to actually trade off and say no to the non-essential so that they can say yes, to the essential.

Maria Shriver    

What in your mind, Greg is the benefit of saying of probing that question and say, Well, I’m spending too much time on social media and spending too much time in my work. I’m spending too much time before I knew one thing before COVID are spending too much time traveling. But yes. So what are what is the benefit of eliminating those things from your life? Even if you enjoy them?

Greg McKeown 

Every time we say yes to a thing, we’re saying no to many other things. And when people say no to a non-essential, what they don’t fully recognize in the moment, is that they are often saying yes to something that’s essential, that they’re not just saying, well, this thing isn’t so bad. It’s that every time they say yes to something that’s relatively trivial, something vitally important, isn’t going to happen. They’re not going to invest in that. I was. I was talking to a woman on the podcast who she read a centralism. And she started asking this question every day, what’s one, what’s the most important thing I need to do today? At first the answer, she got to that question, were all work related. She runs a consultancy in the UK. Then slowly it moved into sort of self care, self-love activities, and she could see that change. But then one day, she gets a call from her dad that says, look, you know, not no need to worry, your mother’s in the hospital again, but it’s nothing serious. You’ve got way too much on your plate, no need to come. You know, just wanted to let you know, when she asked the question that day, it was so clear to her. She said I remember where I was what the weather was, like the time sort of stood still. She just knew the most important thing I need to do today is to drop everything drive two hours to the hospital, to be there with my mother. She does that she goes into the hospital room. She says to her mother, look, I love you I care about your mother says the same back to Everything’s going to be fine. But within an hour of that her mother had fallen into a coma. And within a week of that they had shut off the life support machine. And that was it. This was the last conversation. And she was sharing this because she was saying, look, if I hadn’t been an essentialist. If I hadn’t been trying to be the centralist, I would have made a different trade off there. And so that’s really what essential is and tries to shine a light on is, is to become really conscious and deliberate about the tradeoffs we are making everyday we’re making them but we aren’t always aware that we’re making them so we unintentionally find ourselves. Following a strategy we didn’t really mean to pursue

Maria Shriver    

Right. I love the idea, which I think is so kind of has been counterintuitive of you telling people that less is actually more. Yeah, particularly in the United States, we’re all about, you know, on burnout or doing 10 things we feel it’s a badge of honor to be incredibly busy. And your whole philosophy about less at rest, and saying no, is so counterintuitive for people.

Greg McKeown 

Yeah, this principle of less, but better challenges me for sure. I mean, I learned about it kind of the hard way, I remember, I got an email from my boss at the time said, Look, Friday, between one and two would be a very bad time for your wife to have a baby. Because I need you to be at this client meeting. In Friday, we are in the hospital and our daughter has just been born. And so Friday morning, instead of being focused on this most important moment, this most important relationships, I to my shame, go to the client meeting. And I remember afterwards, even my manager said, Yeah, exactly. A real fail on my part. And I remember even afterwards, my manager said, Look, the client will respect you for the choice you just made to be here, even on this day. And the look on their faces didn’t events, that sort of respect and confidence. But even if they had, it’s clear to you, of course, to everybody, to me, that I made a false bargain, that I violated something much more important for something much less important, because I was trying to do both. And what I learned from that was an important lesson, which is if you don’t prioritize your life, someone else will. Yeah, and, and that’s really what I think being essentialist is about is is saying, I’m going to take responsibility to the prioritization of my life, instead of just doing everything everyone’s doing, instead of just trying to do both, every time you’re faced with a trade off, or how can I do both like I did in the hospital? I’ve tried to do both, you say, what’s the most essential one, I’m choosing it. And I’ll let the other thing pass this, this, for me is hard work. Actually, I still find I still struggle with this. But I think the way of the essentialist is that way of more selectivity.

Maria Shriver    

I love that. And I love this other thing you said, Greg, which is there, I read on your Instagram, that there is great strength in our weaknesses and that beneath something that we identify as one of our weaknesses, that may give a shame, that there isn’t actually an opportunity to be of service, there’s an opportunity to share that weakness. Can you explain that a little bit? Because I think so many of us are focused on what we don’t have, where were we where we’re not successful enough. And your thought about that?

Greg McKeown 

Well, one of the thoughts I have about that is this idea that has come really into focus for me in COVID times. And it’s this that, that if you focus on what you lack, right, then you lose what you have. But if you focus on what you have, you gain what you lack. Okay, and so so I just, I just love the idea that if we if we focus on the things that are going right, even amidst things you can’t control, like a pandemic, but there’s loads of other examples, and they might my best friend growing up, just just got, you know, pretty likely to be diagnosed a second time with cancer, and it’s supposed to be untreatable now, and it’s absolutely awful. That’s like the saddest day of my life as it happens. And of course, it’s. But in the midst of all of that, there’s so many things that happen, you don’t have control over. And if you focus on on those things you can’t control and things that that pull you off, you know, to pull you off what is going right, then they’ll consume your body and soul and there’s nothing left of you, and then you’re in a worse position to respond to the next challenge. When we focus on what we have, when we focus on the things we can do something about they grow, they expand and we feel more confident and more centered to be able to respond well to the next challenge. So that’s one of the thoughts I have today about where we put our focus

Maria Shriver    

So going into the beautiful, so important because I think we often lose our focus at that point. So thank you for sharing that. Greg is we kind of ended up this year and people want to go into the new year my daughter was saying to me the other day, you know, people went into 2020 with all these big dreams. And they find themselves here. Probably not having achieved them feeling like kind of what was that? Nothing happened? How do you best advise someone to regroup? After they’ve kind of looked at themselves? Look at what is essential? Is it maybe to go into the new year without this long list of New Year’s goals? Is it to go in with maybe just asking one simple question, what is essential and what can I eliminate?

Greg McKeown 

When I think about 2020 I think so everybody has lost something. Yeah. And, and it reminds me of an experience I had bear with me with this. But I found myself standing, it wasn’t this year, but standing looking at myself in the mirror, dressed head to toe and a stormtrooper costume. And in that moment, I was I was standing, you know, about to buy this costume. And it is a very, you know, it was an expensive, you know, movie quality level costume. And in that moment, I’m like, not one part of me wants the costume. And I don’t want to I don’t want to buy this as I’m like, why am I even here? Why am I even thinking about this? And I realized that, that it was like 30 years earlier, that return of Jedi had come out. And my, one of my older brothers had said to me in passing, you know, he’s like, wouldn’t it be great to own one of these costumes? And I’m like, Yes, it would I that’s that’s it, and somehow on autopilot. I that goal had lived on for me for the next 30 years. That’s become a bit of a shorthand in our family, where my wife Anna will say, if I’m sort of just going after something that seems a little bit of a shiny object, she’ll say, look, is this a stormtrooper? And so I just asked that question, as people think about what they lost in 2020. And what they want in 2021. Sometimes it’s a great gift to have things that we thought we wanted suddenly not be possible, or goals that that, you know, be stripped away. expectations of the future stripped away so that we say, Well, what really matters, I have a friend. And maybe this doesn’t seem like a very big example, when people have really struggled this year. But that he planned all this travel all summer. And it was his one of his dreams to travel all over the world. And he scheduled at all This is 2020, the summit. And then of course, this happens and none of that they all got shot. And he said that his reaction when he this happened was this, he went mad. Nothing. So here, he was thinking it was this hugely important goal to him something he dreamed of doing. And suddenly it’s not happening, you realize it, this has nothing, it doesn’t matter. I think there’s a bit of a gift in this, where we say, look, there’s only a few things we can that that really matter. Most stuff is trivia. So as we go into 2021, what if we designed a life around those things we can control and that really matter? And let the other things all that noise, all those that all the old, everyone else is doing all the things that we see on social media we think that we ought to be doing and you just let it go and let 2021 be a simpler year. But this time, not an involuntary essentialism but a voluntary essentialism, that’s what I would do.

Maria Shriver    

Beautifully said I love the Stormtrooper. I love that. I think several people wrote in there that they too love that I think that’s a really great thing to keep in the front of mind. Is this, I used to always say, Is this an ego job? Is this an ego play? Or is this I really want to do but I think that kind of is this a stormtrooper? Is this something that’s really not about the present me, but his vision long ago, and maybe as you were saying, to go into 21 without our I gotta get thinner, I gotta get younger, I gotta get better, I gotta do more, that may be doing less maybe focusing on one thing or two things, two things, and maybe kind of looking within, as you were saying, and eliminate anything that keeps us from what’s valuable in real life.

Greg McKeown 

Yeah, and and I’ll tell you where my crop really is right now. And this isn’t? Well, I can’t say it without saying it. But But I did just finish a new book. It doesn’t come out for months. But yeah, but but the feeling the feeling, as I’ve been writing this year is like, is this principle it’s like, not everything has to be so hard. Yeah, that we can we can let go of some of these expectations that make things burdensome unnecessarily. And, and, and I think a lot of people know exactly what I’m talking about where they’re trying to make progress, but it’s, it’s twice as hard to make half the progress from before. And and if you approach if you approach 2021, from a new mindset, you find there’s actually a more doable way to do. There’s a more livable way to live. And those are those are sort of where my heart really is right.

Maria Shriver    

I love that. It’s that people ask how they can listen to you. They can go to your podcast.

Greg McKeown 

Yeah, yeah. The what’s the central podcast is is marvelous. love to have you on there. And it also just essentialism.com is a place where I’m launching Actually, this is quite interesting. Starting January 1, we’re going to do a 21 day challenge, where every day you do one specific thing. To be have a more essentialist life. So 21 days for 2021. And they can sign up there essentially,

Maria Shriver    

sign up for that, oh, I would look fantastic that and we’re gonna put that up in the Sunday paper, that’s a great thing one thing, and it could be one thing that we’re going to be doing that’s essential in our life. But one thing we might be eliminating,

Greg McKeown 

yes. So it’s, it’s meant it’s designed to be really easy so that each day, there’s actually a specific suggestion, okay, they can read it, or there’s a little video that there’ll be out as well. And I’ve been encouraging people to blog about it or to share with other people to give them permission to do something or to let something go. But there’s a specific suggestion each day for 21 days a wonderful.

Maria Shriver    

So that’s some way that we can stay connected with Greg and we can actually stay connected with ourselves asking, following his questions every day for to get us off in this new year, perhaps with less and with less, with less things on our to do list. Yes, yeah, that would be a very different goal for most people, including myself,

Greg McKeown     

in that, and that’s really what we want is, is we want I mean, if you had a word for the for 2021, it almost might be less. And if you had to extend it, it’s less but better. Yeah. And to do that, not because we have to, but because we choose to at some point, I know it doesn’t always still feel realistic, but we will move past disappearing, right, we’ll move past it. And, and and then the challenge will be on us in a different perspective. But lots of things will come back that we don’t have to do right now running around dropping off kids doing all these kinds of things. And that will be its own challenge. And then we’ll have to choose to be essentialist. You know, just because it’s within us, and, and I, I’m hopeful for what happens to people in their lives, when they take responsibility for this when they realize, you know, I can design my life around what matters to me instead of living it by default.

Maria Shriver    

I love that. I love that. Let’s all we’re going to be designed several people say, Can you put this up in the Sunday paper and we will and we’ll link to Greg’s podcast, we’ll link to essentialism calm. And I love we’re gonna leave it there with the idea that we can all design our lives, not default our way into them. And I think that, as you just said also before, if we’re in control, we’re not in control of our life. If we’re not designing our life, someone will come in and do it for us. Yeah, we’ll be past about that eventually. So Exactly. Yeah. So Greg, thank you so much. I’m so grateful that you made time to speak with me and speak with all of us. As you know, I’m a fan of yours and admirer of your work. And I think what you are putting out into the world and the questions you are asking us to ask ourselves are really deep probing ones and ones that actually make a difference in our day to day life. So thank you.

Greg McKeown 

Well, thank you to you as well. Thank you so much. Oh, someone

Maria Shriver    

says you’re their new man crush. Okay. There you go.

Greg McKeown 

Thank you. Bye.

Maria Shriver    

Bye. Okay. So that was really great. So I’m sorry for the blip in the beginning, just went off, and but we bounced back. So we’ll be putting this conversation up in the Sunday paper. We’ll link to his podcast and to his website, you can follow him on Instagram. And he does ask these really, I think probing questions and thoughtful questions like what’s the one thing you can do every day that will make everything else easier or unnecessary? After I read that I was like, What is the one thing that I can do? And if we don’t design our own lives, someone else will design it. For us. That’s really true and very thought provoking. So we’ll sign up for the Sunday paper, if you don’t get the Sunday paper, it’s free, weekly newsletter that has views and views that rise above the noise that move us forward views like Greg’s and so many others, which we’re looking at this week, we’re exploring the idea of celebration, celebrating yourself and those who are in your life. We’re looking at clearing things out decluttering your life we’re looking at less is more. And we’re looking at what comes from being unified as a country and as a person. So there’s a lot in this Sunday paper that’s thought provoking that I hope is inspiring, and that is also informing because that’s our mission at the Sunday paper. So if you don’t get it, please sign up at Maria Shriver comm and join the most informed and inspired community on the internet. great group of people who are trying to move humanity forward in all areas of human endeavor. poets, musicians, Thinkers, Doers, philosophers, all kinds to people so we hope that you will join us there and I hope you have a safe weekend. I hope you are in good health. I hope you take care of yourselves. I hope you wear your mask. I hope you think about the gift you’re giving to other people and to yourself. When you do that, God bless you and thanks so much. Bye bye


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